Comments on: The Ultimate Journalism Ethical Question http://pjnet.org/post/1845/ Public Journalism Network Mon, 21 Dec 2009 08:29:46 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: links for 2008-08-31 « DigiDave - Journalism is a Process, Not a Product http://pjnet.org/post/1845/comment-page-1/#comment-8423 links for 2008-08-31 « DigiDave - Journalism is a Process, Not a Product Sun, 05 Apr 2009 04:48:56 +0000 http://pjnet.org/?p=1845#comment-8423 [...] The Ultimate Journalism Ethical Question Lenn Witt asks a hard nosed question: “If the America public does not want to pay for journalism âÂ?Â? in other words, doesnâÂ?Â?t find value in what we as journalists do âÂ?Â? should we simply stop doing it?” [...] [...] The Ultimate Journalism Ethical Question Lenn Witt asks a hard nosed question: “If the America public does not want to pay for journalism âÂ?Â? in other words, doesnâÂ?Â?t find value in what we as journalists do âÂ?Â? should we simply stop doing it?” [...]

]]> By: Mark http://pjnet.org/post/1845/comment-page-1/#comment-5744 Mark Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:33:18 +0000 http://pjnet.org/?p=1845#comment-5744 Hmm, let's see you want to take your toys and go home because all of us "flyover" people won't worship you and your "valuable contribution" to society. Good. Don't let the door hit you in the a**. Someday when "journalists" grow up, they will realize that we are tired of paying for arrogant, condescending, and VERY slanted pieces that pass for journalism; which are in fact slightly less than propaganda. Many of which are openly hostile to the interests of America. Funny how when "talk radio" started pointing out your bias, the subs began to decline. Now that the Internet allows anyone to respond and to show the bias, distortion, and failed reporting; subs are plummeting. Your response is to pout and blame the reader for not being smart enough to value your "contribution." Zig Ziglar said it best: "My biiiiiig stack of money outweighs your leeeetle stack of benefits." When newsies figure out that means they are the problem; then and only then will we see newspapers, broadcasts, and other news outlets worth viewing or reading AND PAYING FOR. Welcome to the real world. It's rough out here, not like the echo chamber of the newsroom where everyone thinks a like and is insulated from those 'bad people out there.' Paid content succeeds on the Internet. That means you must be the failures. Yep, that's it. Hmm, let’s see you want to take your toys and go home because all of us “flyover” people won’t worship you and your “valuable contribution” to society.

Good. Don’t let the door hit you in the a**.

Someday when “journalists” grow up, they will realize that we are tired of paying for arrogant, condescending, and VERY slanted pieces that pass for journalism; which are in fact slightly less than propaganda. Many of which are openly hostile to the interests of America.

Funny how when “talk radio” started pointing out your bias, the subs began to decline. Now that the Internet allows anyone to respond and to show the bias, distortion, and failed reporting; subs are plummeting.

Your response is to pout and blame the reader for not being smart enough to value your “contribution.”

Zig Ziglar said it best: “My biiiiiig stack of money outweighs your leeeetle stack of benefits.”

When newsies figure out that means they are the problem; then and only then will we see newspapers, broadcasts, and other news outlets worth viewing or reading AND PAYING FOR.

Welcome to the real world. It’s rough out here, not like the echo chamber of the newsroom where everyone thinks a like and is insulated from those ‘bad people out there.’

Paid content succeeds on the Internet. That means you must be the failures. Yep, that’s it.

]]> By: Finally Reporters Accepting Metamorphasis « TEACH J: For Teachers of Journalism And Media http://pjnet.org/post/1845/comment-page-1/#comment-5709 Finally Reporters Accepting Metamorphasis « TEACH J: For Teachers of Journalism And Media Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:05:56 +0000 http://pjnet.org/?p=1845#comment-5709 [...] is still a bit of a holdout for woe and despair - their post is a conversation starter: Should we keep doing journalism if the community does not value it enough to pay for [...] [...] is still a bit of a holdout for woe and despair – their post is a conversation starter: Should we keep doing journalism if the community does not value it enough to pay for [...]

]]> By: Joshua Johnson http://pjnet.org/post/1845/comment-page-1/#comment-5706 Joshua Johnson Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:51:49 +0000 http://pjnet.org/?p=1845#comment-5706 I think it's a great question... and that the Poynter response dodges it. Personally, I don't think that journalism as a business venture is dead by a longshot. It's just antiquated, but it's got tremendous potential for reinvention. Amy Gehren's post makes some points in her rebuttal, that could also be rebutted. She asks when the last time was that we paid for a clinical trial, for example, or paid to have clean air. Well, there are HIV vaccine clinical trials that are funded by individual donations, and every time we pay to plant a tree we're literally buying cleaner air. The point is, YES, it's still worth doing. Just not worth doing the same old way. So to answer your question -- directly -- hell, yes. Journalism with a capital "J" is, was and will always be necessary. It's vital for a free society to have freely flowing information. We shouldn't burden the public to be its own reporter all the time, because people will get tired of it! Someone's got to maintain a corps of professional truth-seekers who care more about freedom of information, than just about anything else. The only thing we're lacking is the right idea, and the corporate will to put it in motion. Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. A ZILLION TIMES YES. It's worth doing, and worth fighting for. I just fear my colleagues in the industry might surrender too soon. I think it’s a great question… and that the Poynter response dodges it.
Personally, I don’t think that journalism as a business venture is dead by a longshot. It’s just antiquated, but it’s got tremendous potential for reinvention. Amy Gehren’s post makes some points in her rebuttal, that could also be rebutted. She asks when the last time was that we paid for a clinical trial, for example, or paid to have clean air. Well, there are HIV vaccine clinical trials that are funded by individual donations, and every time we pay to plant a tree we’re literally buying cleaner air.
The point is, YES, it’s still worth doing. Just not worth doing the same old way. So to answer your question — directly — hell, yes. Journalism with a capital “J” is, was and will always be necessary. It’s vital for a free society to have freely flowing information. We shouldn’t burden the public to be its own reporter all the time, because people will get tired of it! Someone’s got to maintain a corps of professional truth-seekers who care more about freedom of information, than just about anything else. The only thing we’re lacking is the right idea, and the corporate will to put it in motion.
Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. A ZILLION TIMES YES. It’s worth doing, and worth fighting for. I just fear my colleagues in the industry might surrender too soon.

]]> By: …se não querem pagar pelo que fazemos devemos continuar? « http://pjnet.org/post/1845/comment-page-1/#comment-5705 …se não querem pagar pelo que fazemos devemos continuar? « Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:04:55 +0000 http://pjnet.org/?p=1845#comment-5705 [...] journalists do — should we simply stop doing it?“. Vale a pena ler o que ele próprio escreve sobre o assunto e a resposta de Amy Gahran no E-Media [...] [...] journalists do — should we simply stop doing it?“. Vale a pena ler o que ele próprio escreve sobre o assunto e a resposta de Amy Gahran no E-Media [...]

]]> By: Notes from a Teacher: Mark on Media » Monday squibs http://pjnet.org/post/1845/comment-page-1/#comment-5704 Notes from a Teacher: Mark on Media » Monday squibs Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:02:00 +0000 http://pjnet.org/?p=1845#comment-5704 [...] The Ultimate Journalism Ethical Question. Len Witt asks: ” the America public does not want to pay for journalism — in other words, doesn’t find value in what we as journalists do — should we simply stop doing it?” Go read and join the conversation. [...] [...] The Ultimate Journalism Ethical Question. Len Witt asks: ” the America public does not want to pay for journalism — in other words, doesn’t find value in what we as journalists do — should we simply stop doing it?” Go read and join the conversation. [...]

]]> By: Amy Gahran http://pjnet.org/post/1845/comment-page-1/#comment-5703 Amy Gahran Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:04:22 +0000 http://pjnet.org/?p=1845#comment-5703 Interesting question, Leonard! But I think it contains a couple of fallacies. I just shared my thoughts on this topic on Poynter's <a href="http://poynter.org/column.asp?id=31&aid=148910" rel="nofollow">E-Media Tidbits</a> - Amy Gahran Interesting question, Leonard! But I think it contains a couple of fallacies. I just shared my thoughts on this topic on Poynter’s E-Media Tidbits

- Amy Gahran

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