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		<title>The Debate Mistake &#8212; Confusing Sarah Palin with Tina Fey</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Leonard Witt</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am no Sarah Palin fan. However, my guess is she will surprise a lot of folks in the upcoming debate. In our heads, at least in mine,we confuse the real Sarah Palin with the Tina Fey Palin, a whiny know nothing. Of course, that perception is reinforced by Palin&#8217;s actual interviews with Katie Couric [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am no Sarah Palin fan. However, my guess is she will surprise a lot of folks in the upcoming debate. In our heads, at least in mine,we confuse the real Sarah Palin with the <a href="http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/couric-palin-open/704042/">Tina Fey Palin,</a> a whiny know nothing. Of course, that perception is reinforced by Palin&#8217;s actual interviews with <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/25/palin-talks-russia-with-k_n_129318.html">Katie Couric</a> and <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/11/sarah-palins-charlie-gibs_n_125772.html">Charles Gibson</a>.</p>
<p>So with all those perceptions etched in my consciousness, I was very surprised <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ_tCVnTfJI">to see how calm, cool and collected she was</a> in the Alaska gubernatorial debates. It might be that she knows Alaska well and apparently doesn&#8217;t know as much about the US economy and international affairs.  That lack of knowledge could be her undoing, but I guess not.</p>
<p>Andrew Halcro, who debated her more than a dozen times in Alaska, <a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1001/p09s01-coop.html">writes in the Christian Science Monitor</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230; she&#8217;s a master, not of facts, figures, or insightful policy recommendations, but at the fine art of the nonanswer, the glittering generality. Against such charms there is little Senator Biden, or anyone, can do.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well almost no one. Two days after the Thursday debate the alternative Sarah Palin, Tina Fey, will be on Saturday Night Live and might again change our consciousness for better or worse depending on your point of view.</p>
<p>Of course, if you want to stick to the facts, then you might listen to <a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1001/p09s01-coop.html">the Christian Science Monitor interview</a> with Halcro. It is fascinating.</p>
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		<title>Public&#8217;s New Digital Thumbs Gouge ABC News Debate</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Leonard Witt</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Public Journalism or Civic Journalism movement started 20 years ago and grew out of repulsion to the sleaze and trivia of that 1988 Presidential election. Back then it was a few lone voices like Jay Rosen, Buzz Merritt and Cole Campbell who tried to wake up the news media folks about their errant ways.
If [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://www.pewcenter.org/doingcj/speeches/a_nieman.html">Public Journalism or Civic Journalism movement</a> started 20 years ago and <a href="http://pjnet.org/post/1626/">grew out of repulsion to the sleaze and trivia </a>of that 1988 Presidential election. Back then it was a few lone voices like <a href="http://www.pewcenter.org/doingcj/speeches/a_nieman.html">Jay Rosen, Buzz Merritt and Cole Campbell</a> who tried to wake up the news media folks about their errant ways.</p>
<p>If the ABC News Presidential Primary debate debacle had happened back then, people like David Brooks and George Stephanopoulos <a href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2008/04/stephanopoulos.html">with their now totally neanderthal view of quality news and information</a>, would have had the megaphone and totally trumped any criticism and put the Public Journalism people on the defensive. The movement had the right ideas, but lacked the DNA to make them heard and happen. In a figurative sense public journalism lacked the equivalent of thumbs. But alas it has the thumbs now.</p>
<p><a href="http://pjnet.org/post/36/">In 2004 I wrote</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>The new weblog-infused DNA makes public journalism more nimble and provides it with figurative set of thumbs. It allows public journalism to grasp and do things impossible in the old public journalism&#8230; We want to ensure that the &#8230; spin doctors do not control our elections..</p></blockquote>
<p>I do believe if there are any spin doctors out there today thinking like Brooks did in his New York Times column, they are in big trouble. Brooks <a href="http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/16/no-whining-about-the-media/index.html?hp">wrote</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>We may not like it, but issues like Jeremiah Wright, flag lapels and the Tuzla airport will be important in the fall. Remember how George H.W. Bush toured flag factories to expose Michael Dukakis. It’s legitimate to see how the candidates will respond to these sorts of symbolic issues. </p></blockquote>
<p>This week, some 20 years after the first protests about this inane, neanderthal type of journalism, the spin doctors, Stephanopoulos and Brooks have learned that the people have their own megaphones and that the once struggling public journalism has <a href="http://www.ncl.org/publications/ncr/93-3/Witt.pdf">evolved into the public&#8217;s journalism </a>and its new thumbs cannot only grasp, but when push comes to shove, they can gouge. </p>
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		<title>David Brooks loves ABC News Debate Questions</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Leonard Witt</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[David Brooks, New York Times columnist, under a condescending column headline reading: No Whining About the Media, writes:
First, Democrats, and especially Obama supporters, are going to jump all over ABC for the choice of topics: too many gaffe questions, not enough policy questions.
I understand the complaints, but I thought the questions were excellent. The journalist’s [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Brooks, New York Times columnist, under a condescending column headline reading: <a href="http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/16/no-whining-about-the-media/index.html?hp">No Whining About the Media</a>, writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>First, Democrats, and especially Obama supporters, are going to jump all over ABC for the choice of topics: too many gaffe questions, not enough policy questions.</p>
<p>I understand the complaints, but I thought the questions were excellent. The journalist’s job is to make politicians uncomfortable, to explore evasions, contradictions and vulnerabilities. Almost every question tonight did that&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Here is my favorite part, Brooks writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>We may not like it, but issues like Jeremiah Wright, flag lapels and the Tuzla airport will be important in the fall. Remember how George H.W. Bush toured flag factories to expose Michael Dukakis. It’s legitimate to see how the candidates will respond to these sorts of symbolic issues.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hey David, you forgot to mention that while H. W. Bush was touring the flag factories during the 1988 election the Republicans were also running the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC9j6Wfdq3o">racist Willie Horton ads</a>. In fact, it was exactly the very trivia and sleaze that David Brooks thinks is good journalism that led to the public or civic journalism movement. Here is what Charlotte Grimes <a href="http://www.hks.harvard.edu/presspol/research_publications/papers/discussion_papers/D36.pdf">wrote in a Harvard public policy paper</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>The defining event for civic journalism is usually pinned to the 1988 presidential campaign, with its fixation on horse-race polls and focus on Gary Hart’s adultery, George Bush’s visits to flag factories and Willie Horton ads, and Michael Dukakis’ ride in a tank. The campaign was a triumph of trivia, sleaze and manipulation. And it provoked an outburst of soul-searching by many journalists on their role in it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Apparently it caused no soul searching for David Brooks &#8212; he thinks manipulative questions are good journalism. He can make his elitist, well-mannered argument, but on this one I am siding with  my wife, who during the &#8220;symbolic issues&#8221; questioning Brooks describes above, was screaming: Haven&#8217;t they heard how many people died in Iraq today? Ask a question about that. Haven&#8217;t they heard how many people are losing their homes today? Ask about that.</p>
<p>David, maybe you haven&#8217;t heard, the American people are tired of the trivia oriented, sleazy and manipulative political maneuvering, which you so politely call &#8220;symbolic issues.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course, David Brooks, who has sided with the current administration on so many bad policy decisions, would prefer that the real issues get ignored. So David let me ask you a symbolic issues question: Which is more important an American flag lapel pin or the 4,000 plus flag-draped caskets that have come back to America from the Iraq war which you supported? Apparently in a debate you think the former is more important, my wife thinks the latter and so do I and so do most other Americans.</p>
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		<title>New York Times Reinforces Inane Debate Questions</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Leonard Witt</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last night I expressed my distain for the ABC News questions aimed at Democratic Party presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, including my favorite: Why doesn&#8217;t Obama wear an American flag lapel pin?
It took about an hour before the first real policy question was asked, then the debate took on some semblance of high [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night I <a href="http://pjnet.org/post/1770/">expressed my distain </a>for the ABC News questions aimed at Democratic Party presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, including my favorite: Why doesn&#8217;t Obama wear an American flag lapel pin?</p>
<p>It took about an hour before the first real policy question was asked, then the debate took on some semblance of high ground. But this morning the front page New York Times article, also <a href="http://www.ajc.com/search/content/debate0417.html">reproduced by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution</a>, dealt only with the inane part of the debate with a headline that reads: <strong>Clinton Employs Broad Attacks in a Key Debate</strong>.</p>
<p>The whole article deals with the attacks, and mentions in passing that the personality clashes were &#8220;Helped along by the questions of the moderators&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the equivalent of writing a whole story on, let&#8217;s say, a police interrogation and mentioning in passing that the confession was was helped along by waterboarding.</p>
<p>Never once did John R. Broder, The New York Times writer, explain how awful the question selection was, instead he, wrote in the Times edition I received in Atlanta:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;During the first half of the debate, the candidates spent so much time sparring over issues of character that they had little chance to discuss major issues that have dominated past debates, with Mr. Obama mentioning Iraq only 40 minutes into the event.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The New York Times article is factual in every detail, but is fully wrong in context because it never mentions that the ABC News moderators Charles Gibson and George Stephanopoulos forced the candidates into a personality debate. The questions, by their very nature, had nothing to do with policy. That was the story that was not reported, which the <a href="http://technorati.com/search/abc+news+debate?authority=a4&amp;language=en">blogosphere for all its factual errors is getting completely correct</a>.</p>
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		<title>ABC Conducts Worst Debate, It&#8217;s Embarrassing</title>
		<link>http://pjnet.org/post/1770/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Leonard Witt</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I got so angry watching the smarmy questions being asked by moderators Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos of  both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama that after listening to just 20 minutes I fired off an email to ABC News. Here is the response and the reason I will make my complaint public at PJNet.org. I want to be sure [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got so angry watching the smarmy questions being asked by moderators Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos of  both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama that after listening to just 20 minutes I fired off an email to ABC News. Here is the response and the reason I will make my complaint public at PJNet.org. I want to be sure that someone hears it. First the ABC News response to my email:</p>
<blockquote><p> As you can imagine, we receive thousands of messages a day from our viewers and while we appreciate you taking the time to provide feedback regarding our programming, we are not able to respond to each one directly.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>We encourage you to continue to communicate with us!</p>
<p>IMPORTANT INFORMATION ABOUT CHANGING TO DIGITAL TELEVISION:</p>
<p>Television as we know it is about to change! Are YOU ready? &#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>No help there for a dissatisfied viewer. </p>
<p> So then I went to the <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/comments?type=story&amp;id=3105455">ABC News debate story and found more than 1700 comments</a>, here is the one that speaks my mind:</p>
<blockquote><p>THIS DEBATE IS A HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT!!! What the heck are you doing?????? So much time on the errors/blunders/past, ya yayaya. Where were all the questions that affect the American people???I think this was shameful!!! You left no room for talking about real issues. And George &amp; Charlie were where all the fault should lie. TERRIBLE, RUDE and IRRELEVANT QUESTIONS !!!!! &#8230; You owe PA an apology AND an apology to the candidates.</p></blockquote>
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<p> My wife is in the other room yelling, haven&#8217;t they heard how many people died in Iraq today. Ask a question about that. Haven&#8217;t they heard how many people are losing their homes today? Ask about that. And so on.</p>
<p>I fully agree with the commenter above and my wife, ABC News you owe the American people an apology. We deserve better.</p>
<p>Update:</p>
<p>Ps: It gets better, or actually worse. I called ABC News to complain at 212-456-7777, got someone who said the line was busy but I could call back later. I asked if I could voice a complaint to him. He said no. I asked if he was at some calling center in another country. His response: You got that right.</p>
<p>So this is ABC News idea of news as a conversation. Ah, I don&#8217;t think you have it quite right. Here is the number he gave me: 818 460-7477&#8230;alas it was busy.</p>
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